Sarah Agnes Graddidge

c1842 - ?

 

Gerald Green

c1892 - ?

Winnifred A. Green

c1890 - 1891

Wilfred Green

c1900 - ?

Eric Green

c1901 -?

Harry Wyndham Green

1868 - ?

Married: 1 Oct 1889
1900

Frances Annie Rider

c1863 - ?

Adelaide Mary Rider

c1866 - ?

Archibald Wm. Rider

c1864 - ?

Flora Annie Rider

c1869 -?

 Emily Louisa Rider

c1862 - ?

 
1850
Look at the 1881 Census for Archibald and Sarah's family
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Link to Sarah's Family

Archibald Griffin Rider c1836 - ?

Married: Jun/Jul/Aug 1860
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Harry Wyndham Green and Flora Annie Rider

 

 

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Births - Marriages - Deaths
Name Where Born When Born When Baptised Where Married When Married When Died Where Buried
Harry Wyndham Green Netley, Hampshire 31 May 1868 -     - -
Flora Annie (née Rider) Green Southampton, Hants c1869 - St Peter's Catholic Church, Winchester 1 Oct 1889 - -
Winnifred Adelaide Green - 9 Nov 1890 -     13 May 1891 -
Gerald Green Stratford, London c1892 -     - -
Wilfred Green Fulham, London c1900 -     - Australia?
Eric Green Sidcup, Kent 20 Jan 1901 -     - -

Notes:

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Netley is to the west of Southampton, and is now a suburb of it.

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Based on information in an old family address book it seems Wilfred emigrated to Australia.

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Flora's father was Archibald Griffin Rider who in 1881 (Ref: 1881 census) was recorded as being an Artist and Photographer and had a photographers shop at 11 Jewry Street in Winchester, Hampshire, England.

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Flora's address is recorded as 11 Jewry Street at the time of her marriage to Harry.

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She married Harry at St Peter's which is also in Jewry Street, Winchester.

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Winnifred, who died aged just 6 months, is spelt with two letter 'n's, and not as 'Winifred' according to the contemporary notes kept by Madeline Bessie Green, shown below.

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An entry in the Hampshire Chronicle of 26 Jan 1901records the birth of Eric.

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See family photograph of Flora and Harry with some of their children. The photograph was taken by Archibald Griffin Rider, Flora's father who had a studio in 11 Jewry Street,  Winchester, Hampshire. Link to family photograph.

 

Archibald Rider's photographic studio/shop in Jewry Street, Winchester, circa 1900.

Archibald's shop in 2010, now the 'Lemon Tree', a licenced property. (Ourgenes Archive)

Flora Annie Rider, probably taken by her father circa . (Ourgenes Archive)

A contemporary note by Madeline Bessie Green of her brothers marriage. (Ourgenes Archive)

Flora and Harry with their children Gerald, Wilfred, and Eric, after the loss of Winnifred. (Ourgenes Archive)

 

Notes:

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The old photograph of Archibald's shop in Jewry Street Winchester, shown above, is taken from the book, 'In and Around Winchester in Old Photographs, collected by Edward Roberts'. The book dated 1977, ISBN 0 9504096 1 8, is probably long out of print. However, Mr Roberts is kind enough to say that many of the old photographs collected in the book were originally taken by Archibald Rider.

 

Census returns of 1861,1871, and 1881, for Archibald and Sarah Rider's family

 

1861 Census - St Mary's, Southampton, Hampshire, England

Residence

Name

Relation

Condition

Age

Profession or Occupation

Where born

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Archibald Griffin Rider

Head

Married

25

[illegible] [illegible] Engineer

[illegible], Hampshire

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Sarah Agnes Rider

Wife

Married

19

-

Southampton, Hampshire

Notes - 1861 Census - Southampton:

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It would appear that Archibald is yet to discover his passion for photography.

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One assumes that they have not been married long as she is only 19 and no children have arrived yet.

 

1871 Census - St Mary's, Southampton, Hampshire, England

Residence

Name

Relation

Condition

Age

Profession or Occupation

Where born

16 [Bernard Street?]

Archibald Rider

Head

Married

35

Photographic Artist [illegible] Assistant

Newport, Isle of Wight

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Sarah Rider

Wife

Married

28

-

Southampton, Hampshire

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Archibald Rider

Son

Unmarried

7

Scholar

[illegible] London

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Emily Rider

Daughter

Unmarried

9

Scholar

Southampton, Hampshire

-

Francis Rider

Daughter

Unmarried

8

Scholar

Southampton, Hampshire

-

Ada Rider

Daughter

Unmarried

2

-

Southampton, Hampshire

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Emma Gradidge

Mother-in-Law

Married

61

[companion to (erased)] Wife

Southampton, Hampshire

Notes - 1871 Census - Southampton:

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It is odd that Emma Gradidge should be described as 'Companion to wife' and then have the 'Companion to' part erased. One suspects that the intention was to put a line through the whole statement.

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In moving from the 1861 census to the 1871 census the surname Graddidge has lost a 'd'.

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Archibald is described as an assistant. Was he learning his trade before he set up on his own in Winchester?

1881 Census - ????'s, Winchester, Hampshire, England
Residence Name Relation Condition Age Profession or Occupation Where born
11 Jewry Street Archibald Griffin Rider Head Married 45 Artist & Photographer Newport, Hants
- Sarah Agnes Rider Wife Married 37 - Southampton, Hants
- Emily Louise Rider Daughter Single 19 - Southampton, Hants
- Archibald William Rider Son Single 17 - Hammersmith, London
- Adelaide Mary Rider Daughter Single 15 - Southampton, Hants
- Flora Annie Rider Daughter Single 12 - Southampton, Hants
- Emma Gradridge Visitor Married 71 - Southampton, Hants
Notes - 1881 Census - Winchester:
bulletOn all the transcripts for this census return (1881) accessed via www.ancestry.co.uk the surname is spelt as Reder.
bulletIs Emma Gradridge, Sarah's mother? Yes!
bullet11 Jewry Street is the address for Archibald's photography business, where they were living over the shop.
bullet11 Jewry Street is now a popular drinks bar known as 'Tree House'.
bulletHow was it that Archibald William was born in Hammersmith?
bulletOn the original census return Flora Annie is squeezed in above Emma Gradidge as if she was forgotten about and entered as an after thought.

 

Census return of 1901 for Harry and Flora's family

 

1901 Census - St John's, Sidcup, Kent, England
Residence Name Relation Condition Age Profession or Occupation Where born
Lynton Harry W. Green Head Married 38 Buyer Iron & Steel Netley, Hampshire
- Flora Green Wife Married 32 - Southampton, Hampshire
- Gerald Green Son Single 9 - Stratford, London
- Wilfred Green Son Single 1 - Fulham, London
- Eric Green Son Single 2 months - Sidcup, Kent
- Jane Green Mother Widow 58 - Andover, Hampshire
Notes - 1901 Census - Sidcup:
bulletThe area covered by this census appears quite large, since the area is part of the Civil Parish and Urban District of Chiselhurst, the ecclesiastical Parish of Sidcup, and Parliamentary Borough or Division of Sevenoaks. So the population must have been quite sparse in those days, i.e. you were in the open country, unlike today where it is part of the urban sprawl of London.
bulletAn old address book records Harry and his family as living at 65 Hatherley Road, Sidcup, Kent. Is this the house called Lynton?
bulletHarry seems to have moved around quite a lot based on the different places his children were born.
bulletJane appears to be living with Harry her son. Of her other living children, Ernest is in Canada, Fred is married and living with his family in Wandsworth, London, (Link to Fred's Family)
bulletMadeline Bessie is in the Tooting Workhouse, and Ada is in the LSWR Railwaymen's Orphanage, probably at Clapham and before it moved to Woking.
bulletOne wonders if further searching will reveal more children.

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